User talk:Sabwoo

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Welcome...[edit source]

Hello Sabwoo!

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Again, welcome! James L. Tanner 22:20, 9 September 2011 (UTC)

Subpages[edit source]

Currently, subpages are not implemented in the FamilySearch Research Wiki. We have discussed them at length and the conclusion has always been that they should be excluded. You are welcome to go to the Forums and start the discussion over again, if you wish. Thanks for asking.

James L. Tanner 02:17, 7 November 2012 (UTC)

Utah Cemeteries[edit source]

Dear Gene Sabin,

Thanks for your thoughts. I changed the names of the links and added explanations. There are suggestions and links to other resources. Please check to see if the changes will address your concerns and ideas.

I found some of the links not working. On one of the websites, all of their links were broken and I could not find them. I moved ones that were only counties sites to the counties wiki sites.

Thanks for helping. Hopefully we will here from you at the Utah.

Patricia HardestyAG Family History Librarypnh 20:04, 5 July 2012 (UTC)

Hi, Sabwoo,

Apparently we disagree on where the Utah page should go to the Utah burial Database. When we are sending the patron to the search page for a person, I feel they should go directly to the page where they enter the names. Please give me a call so we can discuss the page.

801-240-3478pnh 19:01, 19 June 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for helping on Utah pages![edit source]

Hi, Sabwoo, We noticed several edits in Washington County, Utah that you made, and really appreciate how you are clarifying and cleaning up some of the content. We have a project going for Utah. Our purpose is to get great, understandable content, to collaborate with people like yourself, and to create a "pattern" of basics for counties that other people can follow for their counties, if they wish. Please contact me.AdkinsWH 17:02, 19 June 2012 (UTC)

Adding Images to a page[edit source]

I'm curious to know why you have deleted the graphics on the Help:Adding images page.  I would think that the graphics would be helpful to anyone learning how to insert images, especially beginners.  Sometimes, a picture is worth a thousand words.  I know you thought the FCK editor doesn't work for inserting images, but it does.  It has not been changed. averyld 22:03, 13 December 2012 (UTC)

A few months ago when they tried to change to a new editor, some of the preferences got changed.  If you go to Personal Tools and then My Preferences, you'll see an option for Editing and then down the page, it has boxes you can click for Use external editor.  Make sure those aren't marked and you should be able to use the FCK editor just fine. averyld 23:04, 13 December 2012 (UTC)

Well, at least, I got you to the right place! On the History page, you can do it a couple ways.  If you click on Rollback, it should take the page back to where it was when the last person before you edited it.  The graphics are there on that version.  Of you can go to the first revision you did on the 6th and click on Prev.  When the two versions come up, click on (Edit) on the column on the left and then save the page.  It will take it back to that version before you took out the graphics. Let me know if you can't make it work. averyld 23:52, 13 December 2012 (UTC)

Thanks so much for restoring that page!  averyld 16:37, 14 December 2012 (UTC)

Extinct Counties of Arizona[edit source]

I just came across in the Family Search Wiki, a Category called Extinct Counties of Arizona created by you on 17 June 2013. I don't understand why this exists. This information already is a section on the Arizona page, called Extinct or Renamed Counties of Arizona. And there is a thorough explanation in the article called Previous Jurisdictions to Land in Arizona.

Also the name is poorly chosen. There is one and only one extinct county in Arizona. That is Pah-Ute County, Arizona. And somehow that county never made it into your Category listing. You don't need a separate Category for one article.

Of the other supposed Arizona counties, 10 of them are New Mexico or Utah counties, discontinued when Arizona was created. They were never Arizona counties.

The other 3 supposed Arizona counties were proposed by an unofficial group in 1861 which then petitioned the US congress to create an Arizona Territory. Congress rejected the proposal, so those counties were never created.

Your Category is suppose to be about Extinct Counties of Arizona. But none of the counties listed were created by Arizona. So I ask again, why does your Category exist?

sabwoo 24 July 2014, 7:10 MST

As a member of the FamilySearch Wiki Support Team I work with a lot of categories, and at some time I may have seen a possible use of this category. There were in the past many changes as the territories changed into states and some use the term Extinct Counties to label these areas, those proposed but not formed or used for a short time and then split up or absorbed by others. If this does not fit in you pattern then delete. I work with both. The Wiki is always changing. There are many ways for us to organize the order of our pages. I does not bother me at all that you chose a different pattern. I am Ok. Have a wonderful day. Sandralpond 04:20, 25 July 2014 (UTC)
Please if you want something deleted just delete it. I do up to 3000 edit per month. I am the main one to do deletion and most of the maintenance work and will approve this. I just want to help the Wiki be as good a site as possible and was trying to help. Sandralpond 13:25, 25 July 2014 (UTC)

Dona Ana, AZ[edit source]

This is for Sbirdsong and Parrisl

On the Family Search Wiki, I see where you have removed and deleted the Dona Ana, AZ article. Two years ago I was just about to do the same thing. In those days the text of that article said it was a proposed county that was never organized. In my mind that meant it was a fictitious county that never had a government and therefore no records were collected. But when I checked into it, I found the story had been reported wrongly.

In 1860, the southern half of New Mexico territory declared itself a separate territory and called itself Arizona. This Arizona territory set up a territorial government and 4 counties. Those counties were Castle Dome, Ewell, Dona Ana and Messilla. Presumably county governments were also setup, and that would mean records were collected. Unfortunately this Arizona territory sided with the Confederacy and by June 1862 it was taken over by the Union and disbanded.

Dona Ana, AZ is more than a historical footnote, there may be records made by that short lived county which still exist. Unfortunately I don’t know where they are, but maybe someone else does. That is why I left that article in the Family Search Wiki. In the future, maybe the location of those records might be found. That would be a boon to genealogy.

As you can see from the above, the Dona Ana county in that short lived Arizona territory is NOT the same county as Dona Ana county in New Mexico. And that short lived Arizona territory is NOT the same as the Arizona territory created in 1863 and became a state in 1912.

For me, the Family Search Wiki should be the place where you learn about where records may be found. That is why I would really appreciate it if you would reinstate that Dona Ana, AZ article. Sabwoo 21:01, 5 February 2016 (UTC)


The Dona Ana county article was deleted because it was listed as a duplicate. I think of this article, that you can find at Dona Ana County, New Mexico Genealogy (which is consistent with our naming conventions for articles). It's possible we should have left the article and I will take a look at it. Thank you for bringing it to our attention. I imagine you tried to post the comment on my talk page but we have been having some Spam issues and it was spam'd so I put a temporary block on edits. Sorry.

S. Birdsong, Wiki Support Team 22:41, 5 February 2016 (UTC)

I did some research and determined that this page was deleted in favor of some considerable updates to the following page: Previous Jurisdictions to Land in Arizona. I just did the mechanics of deleting, lparisi did all the research and recommendations and, I believe, worked on the previous jurisdictions page. I don't want to get in the middle of this. I will put a note on her talk page to let her know she should probably discuss this with you. S. Birdsong, Wiki Support Team 01:56, 6 February 2016 (UTC)


The above misunderstanding has been resolved to my satisfaction. The article was not removed, but renamed and then not linked in. I have linked it in place of the original article. I withdraw any desire for further action. Sabwoo 01:41, 11 February 2016 (UTC)

Nevada[edit source]

I see that on this past 17th of March, you made changes to the Nevada state article. Among other things, you removed the "Extinct counties of Nevada" section which had been recently changed to "Other counties that might have records for Nevada residents". I wonder why you removed this as it seems to me to be a helpful addition? Sabwoo (talk) 23:49, 30 March 2016 (UTC)

In checking, I see that you have done the same to the New Mexico state article. I think we should talk about this before you continue. A few years back, I proposed a more minor change (deleting fictitious extinct counties) and got alot of messages of anger and frustration directed at me. I am more sympathetic to your changes, but you are going about it the wrong way by just deleting. Please send me a message and lets talk this over before others start a war over it. Sabwoo (talk) 00:37, 31 March 2016 (UTC)

This was resolved by the return of the deleted sections, unchanged. It is still unknown why the sections were returned, because there was no reply to my request above.

Help with Images[edit source]

Several years ago I created a Family Search Wiki article called Previous Jurisdictions to Land in Arizona. I have returned several times to revise the wording and layout. After this latest major upgrade to the software, I looked around for revisions to make, but didn’t try to make any changes until this August. The problem is that in my article are many map images, but only a few will now display. The rest only give the name of the link.

Then I found out I needed to ask permission to make revisions. So I asked for permission to revise the look of my article. I was given permission. Then I copied one section of my article into my sandbox. I tried several things to figure out why some images display and some do not. From all that I can find, there is nothing in the text of the article that would cause a difference in the image display.

But some of the image files display and some do not. The only thing I can conclude is that something in this last major upgrade damaged or changed some of the image files causing them to not display. With that in mind, I now request Family Search in general and you in particular to check out the image files referenced in my article and put them into good working order so that ALL the image files will display in my article.

Thank you

Looking into this for you. It may take a bit as I figure out who to get help from. Brepouille/Wiki Support Team (talk) 13:09, 21 August 2016 (UTC)

Conclusion: The images were returned to their correct format and I have redone the spacing to accommodate the thumbnail images. I withdraw any desire for further action Sabwoo (talk) 05:55, 6 September 2016 (UTC)

My Sandbox

Year start date[edit source]

Question for you on Talk:Julian_and_Gregorian_Calendars. Dontiknowyou (talk) 07:55, 9 August 2020 (MDT)